't know if you know this but winston churchill once said, i like a man who grins when he's fighting. so is smiling a sin now? is that wrong? >> yeah, i don't know why they're even trying that. maybe because they lost that debate and quite handily. look, they got their butts handed to them if we can say that. we talked about lying -- >> take it as far as you like. >> we talked about lying and malarkey, we talked about 47%, we talked about abortion in a way that was totally devastating to the ryan/romney ticket. we talked about ryan being unable to spell out his tax cut. look, martha raddatz said, can you give me a specific? biden said, hey, how about this, the home mortgage deduction? and ryan said well -- can you say anything? martha had to give up. so no specifics. okay, we have to move on. >> and we do. joy, let's forget about the whining for a moment and focus on the facts. last night mr. ryan claimed that the white house has been calling syrian dictator bashar assad a, quote, reformer. now, earlier today the romney/ryan spokeswoman was asked about that claim. take a listen to this.